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Robo I see stage 1 goes to the 450 sherco :wav

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1 sherco David Casteu
2 ktm 690 restricted Cyril Despres
3 ktm 690 restricted Marc Coma
4 KTM 690 restricted Jordi viladoms
5 aprilla RXV450 Lopesz contartdo
6 wrf450 David fretigene
7 KTM 690 restricted kuba ????
8 BMW g450x Paluo concalves
9 Ktm 690 ruben faria
10 yamaha WR450f helda rodrigues

2 x wrfs in the top ten!

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yer and 6 KTM'S

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yer and 6 KTM'S


the days of the ktms are over hori. Dakar have restricted the capacity to 450cc 2010 is the last year the big bikes are allowed and they have to run restrictors.

next year its 450s only and KTM have pulled out you will only see privateers.

sooooo looong KTM

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3 seconds is a long time or a short time at dakar take your pick...

lets hope the lead sherco doesn't get taken out by a quad this year BangHead
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thoseguys have some serious balls and very focused individuals... 8-)


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Simon wrote:
Hori wrote:
yer and 6 KTM'S


the days of the ktms are over hori. Dakar have restricted the capacity to 450cc 2010 is the last year the big bikes are allowed and they have to run restrictors.

next year its 450s only and KTM have pulled out you will only see privateers.

sooooo looong KTM

Not quite right Simon until 2012 which will then be 450cc max.

Wait until the dunes then it will tell just how the 450 really stacks up against the 690. There is no replacement for extra cc's IMO

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That's a 690 with intake restriction.

I would prefer the lighter bike than a choked 690.

But hey what would i know???

its said to be wet this year as well.

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http://www.ktmusa.com/KTM-News.223.20.html?nodeID=106585&cHash=9d4b98175c

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http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/dakar-2010-new-rules-for-motorcycles-450cc-is-the-maximum.htm

Factory teams 450cc only

privater 690 with restricter to reduce them to the leel of a 450cc

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here is the good info

http://www.dakar.com/2010/DAK/presentation/us/r3_1-news.html#art27711

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and here is a quote"

For the 2011 event, only bikes with engines below 450cc will be allowed to compete, but drivers owning KTMs more powerful than this can still, of course, enter in 2010 – on condition that a restrictor is installed. David Castera answers the various questions being asked by the competitors in question.

Why is this regulation limiting the engine to 450cc being introduced ?
We all want a competition in which real contenders are more numerous, and in which the drivers are competing with similar machines in their hands. In order to achieve this, new constructors must be able to come to Dakar with real ambition. We know that the solution is to limit engines to 450cc. Yet we are also aware that some drivers own very sizeable engines ! All the pilots, professional or amateur, can of course participate in the 2010 edition - but with a restrictor to limit air intake to the engine.

How will the drivers concerned obtain this restrictor ?
We are working with a developer specialising in motor engineering, who will be responsible for developing the restrictor to be installed on +450 cc engines.

Then, the UTAC – which is an independent technical analysis laboratory as well as an accredited European Union expert in the regulation and equipment of motor vehicles - will validate the results of our research.

Following this validation, the ASO will deliver these restrictors for the month of September – in time for the period when drivers are beginning to prepare their machines. The system is very quick and simple to install – it only takes about ten minutes to fit one to a bike undergoing preparation. Once it is in place, the restrictor will be visible at a glance, enabling stewards to check that a driver has not removed it.

How does it work ?
The restrictor is an aluminium ring to be positioned between the carburettor and the air filter. In concrete terms, air flow will be reduced, and the ring diameter calculation will result in performance equivalent to that of bikes with 450cc engines. In terms of pure power, the 660cc will still have a slight edge so as to compensate for the difference in weight, which could otherwise penalise them.

What effect does the restrictor have on the mechanical balance of the engine ?
There won’t be any effect at all. On the contrary, by minimizing the load on the engine, it’s almost as though the driver was being obliged to drive economically. Risk of overheating will therefore be reduced. Engine reliability will be intact.

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day 2

1 wrf
2 sherco
3 ktm 690
4 ktm 690
5 ktm 690

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Simon just to clear the air for you the regs are thus:

2010 Elite riders on above 450 cc must have restrictors - ie professionals such as Coma, Despres etc. Riders such as Rob Pollard from WA who I am following on ADVrider are on unrestricted 690's etc

2011 All riders on bikes above 450 cc will be required to run restrictors

2012 No bike over 450 cc

After this years race with the 450s being so competative I would see this rule being scrapped due to pressure from KTM

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yup just heard that on the comentary but could not find it in the regs from the site

sounds like the rules were pretty fluid there for a while

450 from 2012 is looks like it will stick though!

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so do you think the 450's are comaprative to the rstricted 690s or unrestricted?

I think they are close now but there is only 1 unrestriced 690 in the top ten.

I think if the 690's had no alloy choke in the inlet the wrf and the sherco would be waaaayyyyy back in the conditions

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