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Post QLD forests 4wd and trail riding use annoys rangers
You may or may not have noticed, but the Newman government is promoting the use of our state forests and national parks for 4wding, trail riding and other ecotourism type things. Like on this website;
http://www.nprsr.qld.gov.au/experiences ... track.html

It seems the website and plans for the state forest and national parks is annoying the rangers, but they can't do anything about it icon_thumright
This article is from Saturdays courier mail.
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The greenies are also annoyed the government are letting cattle in
http://www.qt.com.au/news/bill-will-see ... s/1875768/

They are probably annoyed about the government giving our grants for people to develop activities within our parks. Hopefully some of the organsied 4wd clubs get in there and try to open up some more area's.
http://www.news-mail.com.au/news/new-gr ... s/1887073/

And it's good to see some local council members support it
http://www.mysunshinecoast.com.au/artic ... ants,29906

So it looks like even if the rangers want to close everything down and not let anyone in, the government has other ideas and they're the boss. Hopefully the conservative rangers will get annoyed and quit!

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:director I pay rego and I pay rates so there for I will use those area's thefinger thefinger thefinger thefinger thefinger


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Post Re: QLD forests 4wd and trail riding use annoys rangers
We could apply for half a mil grant to keep the single tracks clear.


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DV8 wrote:
We could apply for half a mil grant to keep the single tracks clear.



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Post Re: QLD forests 4wd and trail riding use annoys rangers
Well it depends on why you think we have National Parks. If they are to protect areas of ecological significance allowing cattle and vehicles to enter these areas outside roads and tracks that are built within them is certainly contradictory to thier purpose. They are some great examples of where this works well like Fraser Island. There are certain National Parks in Qld establisehed to protect highly vunerable/threatened species and having any access to these will impact on those populations. So prohibiting bikes, cars and cattle makes complete sense. There are also National Parks like Carnravon Gorge where access is less limited as I undersatnd it. The Parks rangers work hard to look after the parks and have a lot of personal "ownership" just as most have with their houses so of course they will get very defensive when it comes to things that can and do negatively impact the parks.

Where there is HUGE oppurtunity for us is the State Forests. These are generally of less conservation significance and there are plenty of oppurtunities for multiple recreational uses including dirt bikes. Opening up these in excess of just being able to utilise the Fire Trails would be a huge win. With the current government hungry for cash, a permit system and rec rego ala the Vic system would generate income and reduce our risk of interaction with forestry officers.

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Post Re: QLD forests 4wd and trail riding use annoys rangers
I agree that a rec rego system in QLD is going to be a large help to the government and forestry services as that would mean people will have to be licenced and registered to ride in these areas and that would mean a zero tolerance to the Unregistered bikes and that will be a positive effect upon us all but would that mean more traffic out on the trails ???

Then we will have to have marked one-way only trails which of course could be implemented and installed courtesy of "rangers that actually ride dirt bikes" which I'm sure there be 1000's of applications for those jobs if the government had Rec Rego with a good cut of that rec rego $$$ going towards such a project of marked one way trails - or start a new work for the dole program "Grooming and sigage installation of Beerburrum" ..........


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panhead_pete wrote:
Well it depends on why you think we have National Parks. If they are to protect areas of ecological significance allowing cattle and vehicles to enter these areas outside roads and tracks that are built within them is certainly contradictory to thier purpose. They are some great examples of where this works well like Fraser Island. There are certain National Parks in Qld establisehed to protect highly vunerable/threatened species and having any access to these will impact on those populations. So prohibiting bikes, cars and cattle makes complete sense. There are also National Parks like Carnravon Gorge where access is less limited as I undersatnd it. The Parks rangers work hard to look after the parks and have a lot of personal "ownership" just as most have with their houses so of course they will get very defensive when it comes to things that can and do negatively impact the parks.

Where there is HUGE oppurtunity for us is the State Forests. These are generally of less conservation significance and there are plenty of oppurtunities for multiple recreational uses including dirt bikes. Opening up these in excess of just being able to utilise the Fire Trails would be a huge win. With the current government hungry for cash, a permit system and rec rego ala the Vic system would generate income and reduce our risk of interaction with forestry officers.



Very Well said mate.... icon_thumright


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Post Re: QLD forests 4wd and trail riding use annoys rangers
Bring it on i say - when rover park near Tentrfeild was open we used to ride out and into the state forest on the other side of the main road - endless tracks from forestry with cleared sign posted logging roads criss crossing most smaller adjacent tracks.
using the fire tower and power pylons that gave great reference points and after several visits we were using
over 2 tanks of gas a day and requiring to leave petrol drops at set reference points.
And even then we hardly even made a dent in what was out there - no mobile coverage so ya gotta go prepared with everything!
Roverpark was open for 5 yrs and then it was closed ( anyone know if its ever going to re open again)
The facilities and well maintained loop riding was the best out of any camp and ride park ive ever been too and worth the trip.
Never did we ever see another soul out there exept once at the fire tower - no trucks on the weekend.
Huge open riding areas and ya cant upset anyone out there - its just too vast and unpopulated = luved it!


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I really can't see how rec rego will make any difference.
Currently the Government collects a lot of money from fully rego'd trail bikes and how much of this is spent on the forests ? I'd say $0.
A fully rego'd bike costs approx. $230 PA to register, so lets assume rec rego would cost $100, ( < $70 in Vic ) that probably wouldn't cover the administration of it.
The Victorian scheme has restrictions on where a rec rego'd bike can be ridden, towns built up areas etc so if you relate that to places like Kenilworth, Imbil, Beerburrum etc it probably wouldn't be 100% legal for the serious riders anyway.
Also assume that rec rego wouldn't be available for a bike that is capable of full rego ( as per the current conditional rego scheme ) so who would benefit ? motocrossers and chingas,
the same ones that you see at Beerburrum every weekend seemingly riding there with immunity from the law.
I'm not putting shit on all chingas and motocrossers, but almost all the ones I see are riding with no regard for anyone else and I don't believe that they are going to bother with even rec rego if it was an option.
And why do they continually get away with riding there? Because of lack of policing by Police/ Rangers due to lack of resources.
This is really only a problem in SEQ because of the large number of riders and the limited places to ride.
In more remote areas from what I can see everyone just does their own thing and no-one cares.

Permits. For the same reasons as above I can't see a permit system working either. I would happily pay a reasonable annual permit to ride in forests / national parks if I thought I was gaining something, but what would I achieve ?
Nothing, because all the idiots would still be tearing around as they are now and the money collected would be swallowed up in administration costs with nothing left for actual management.
When the previous permit system was in use how many people bothered to get them and keep them current ? ( and they were free )
They were a PITA and in all the years I had them I was never asked to produce one by a ranger.
( Although once we did a runner near Stanthorpe when some rangers tried to stop us. They chased us for a while but we got away. When I checked later I actually had a permit for there )

I would like to see improvements on what we have now, but I'm very cynical of this Governments motives when it comes to collecting money.

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Post Re: QLD forests 4wd and trail riding use annoys rangers
I would agree. Rec rego won't do anything for revenue raising, they already have us paying rego.

Mt Mee gets policed, I see rangers and Police out there and have been pulled over and asked for ID. The ranger typically drives past and looks to see the bikes look regoed when they go past in the car park.

Beerburrum is like some part of Mad Max. I wonder if they just think it's too far gone sometimes. It looks like everytime they try to close a gate it gets broken open shortly after.

I did see this guy in Amamoor on the weekend,pretty sure he's not interested in rec rego


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The reason Mt Mee is policed is because it is easy to do. They just sit at the top of the hill and check everyone going past and its hard to not go past that point.
Just like a RBT or a speed camera.
To effectively police Beerburrum and most other places would need a lot more resources and the $ return just wouldn't be there.

Getting back to the OT. For the same reasons it is easier to just lock the areas up. That way they are a lot cheaper to manage but feral animals and plants run rampant.
EPA/DERM/ xxx have a very poor record of managing national parks in this state and I suspect the main reason is funding. The beaurocrats running the departments are usually more interested in their bonus than the state of the parks or the wishes of the people.

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What's following the guy on the go kart, looks like a kid on a pee wee
Someone was killed there last Christmas on a quad doing a runner from the ranger.


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DV8 wrote:
What's following the guy on the go kart, looks like a kid on a pee wee.


It is a kid on a pee wee, they were together.

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