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 Ride grading Do we need or want it 

Do we need ride Grading
Yes on ALL rides 62%  62%  [ 29 ]
Yes on some rides 36%  36%  [ 17 ]
No It,s a Stupid idea 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
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 Ride grading Do we need or want it 
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Post Re: Ride grading Do we need or want it
luke-husky wrote:
bigstim179 wrote:
I think the other big issue here is people not putting their names down on the list, but turning up for rides anyway.
In the case of yesterdays ride, I think this is a bigger issue than the grading of it.


Have to agree. If your going to an organised ride, put your name on the list or don't turn up.
as you said that way the organizer, lead/sweep can plan the route. It also lets other riders know how many are going to be on the ride.
A handful of riders is good, a big bunch of riders can suck, especially if their grading levels are all over the place.


Totally agree with this, 25 riders might be ok for a beginner ride,but on a harder ride it is way to many.

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Post Re: Ride grading Do we need or want it
I think the grading system for the rides needs to be redone, after reading it I thought I was an easy grade 3 but after yesterdays ride I'm defineatly a grade 2. I think most people know there limits but it's hard to judge what the ride is going to be like.

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Post Re: Ride grading Do we need or want it
Hoodlum wrote:
luke-husky wrote:
bigstim179 wrote:
I think the other big issue here is people not putting their names down on the list, but turning up for rides anyway.
In the case of yesterdays ride, I think this is a bigger issue than the grading of it.


Have to agree. If your going to an organised ride, put your name on the list or don't turn up.
as you said that way the organizer, lead/sweep can plan the route. It also lets other riders know how many are going to be on the ride.
A handful of riders is good, a big bunch of riders can suck, especially if their grading levels are all over the place.


Totally agree with this, 25 riders might be ok for a beginner ride,but on a harder ride it is way to many.


I don't think the ride poster ever had a route planned or intended to lead,and if he did he should have stuck to it, it's his ride to lead where and what grade he likes. And if you turn up you accept it or piss of on your own, like I have done a few times. But if he says oh someone else lead then wtf do you expect. Can't just all piss of and leave them without a lead or a lead without a plan. Jeff and I turned up and were quite prepared and able to go our own way if it didn't suit. I guess maybe just go back to P.M. rides is probably the best. Just remember too all those preaching about more begginer and novice rides, I'm sure you can organise and lead one yourself without waiting for Freak to do it. It is not a god given right to have rides put on for the masses though it has become a holyier than now site. :lol:


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Post Re: Ride grading Do we need or want it
Grading is require in my opinion on some rides when you get more than 5 or 6 people

because you get a large range of experiance ,also as manager said if you post a ride lead that ride

going back tp PM rides (or Likeminded) just alienates some people ..

this is a open forum for riding and you will always get lots of people wanting to ride but the should also out there name on list so lead can manage the ride to match the people coming..

ie hori ,loony rocket hard and fast... trueblue soft and slow and horizontal

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1-Novice: flat single track, Dirt bike trails or dirt/gravel roads, no rocks or hills.
2-Easy: smooth, few rocks, small hills on single track, or dirt/gravel roads.
3-Intermediate: more rocks, bigger hills, rougher trails, water crossings on single track, ATV & 4x4 trails.
4-Difficult: Lots of rocks/tree roots, tough long hills, sidehill, mud/sand & switchbacks on single track.
5-Advanced: Contact Ride Leader for trail description.

Pace (Ride Pace): E - Easy I - Intermediate Q Fairly Quick F - Enduro Fast


So with the above system how would you grade yesterdays ride?

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Started 3 e

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Terrain
T6--Requires supplemental assistance, e.g. block and tackle or extra help to steady or lift the bike up the Mountain.
T5--Difficult, expert off-road skills required
T4--Medium, average off-road skills required
T3--Mild, doable by someone new to dirt riding
T2--Firm, graded dirt (potentially slippery when wet)
T1--Pavement


Another way like this

1-Novice: flat single track, Dirt bike trails or dirt/gravel roads, no rocks or hills.
2-Easy: smooth, few rocks, small hills on single track, or dirt/gravel roads.
3-Intermediate: more rocks, bigger hills, rougher trails, water crossings on single track, ATV & 4x4 trails.
4-Difficult: Lots of rocks/tree roots, tough long hills, sidehill, mud/sand & switchbacks on single track.
5-Advanced: Contact Ride Leader for trail description.

Pace (Ride Pace): E - Easy I - Intermediate Q Fairly Quick F - Enduro Fast

I think ride grading is important.

Though when I think about it the few rides I lead I dont grade them, maybe because there isnt one/freak wasnt keen on them dontknow

That second option there looks real good to me.

I think a lot of riders overgrade themselves initially, maybe just to get along on a ride perhaps.

I started in 07/08 no tra then unfortunately. Found tra by accident on google.
Read a few ride reports, and to some extent think a lot of rides are embellished somewhat.
So got myself along to a couple gr 2 rides.
Then a couple harder ones, the beerburrum rides were graded pretty accurately,
some others were talked up, went along and realized they were full of shite :D
So you can still get confused, though it makes it a whole lot easier.

For me accuracy on the terrain is important as that is what causes problems on rides, speed is not as big an issue tra aint a race.
Slower riders aint gonna be that far behind if they are handling the terrain.
Those two skills pretty much go hand in hand.

So its a yes from me :D

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Post Re: Ride grading Do we need or want it
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Post Re: Soft
Terrain
T6--Requires supplemental assistance, e.g. block and tackle or extra help to steady or lift the bike up the Mountain.
T5--Difficult, expert off-road skills required
T4--Medium, average off-road skills required
T3--Mild, doable by someone new to dirt riding
T2--Firm, graded dirt (potentially slippery when wet)
T1--Pavement


Another way like this

1-Novice: flat single track, Dirt bike trails or dirt/gravel roads, no rocks or hills.
2-Easy: smooth, few rocks, small hills on single track, or dirt/gravel roads.
3-Intermediate: more rocks, bigger hills, rougher trails, water crossings on single track, ATV & 4x4 trails.
4-Difficult: Lots of rocks/tree roots, tough long hills, sidehill, mud/sand & switchbacks on single track.
5-Advanced: Contact Ride Leader for trail description.

Pace (Ride Pace): E - Easy I - Intermediate Q Fairly Quick F - Enduro Fast


Would there be any chance of using this as a grading chart. And having it in a section on the site at all. Eg: TRA Grading Levels


Sun 15 Jan, 2012 10:24 am
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Post Re: Ride grading Do we need or want it
And none of this gr 2/3 or 3/4.

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michaelf wrote:

For me accuracy on the terrain is important as that is what causes problems on rides, speed is not as big an issue tra aint a race.
Slower riders aint gonna be that far behind if they are handling the terrain.
Those two skills pretty much go hand in hand.

So its a yes from me :D


Yeah slow riders definately don't slow rides down. It's usually attitude and lack of any sort of fitness or grit. Like the young bloke on the wr yesterday, stayed to the end and toughed it out even though he was a bit out of his depth. Keep moving even though it's hurting. Good to see. Bit of what i was getting at with my soft thread. You don't have to be a grade 3 rider to go on a grade 3 ride. If you can keep rolling and get yourself through most things yourself and have a well prepared bike you can do pretty well any ride. :lol:


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Post Re: Ride grading Do we need or want it
Just my 2c worth / I do agree that we need some type of ride grade, but not to sure if we need to get so detailed with pace/and terrain/muddy/dusty/logs/LANTANA ! You see where its going ! It wiil become just to hard to lead a ride if they have to worry about all these DETAILS ! icon_scratch My thoughts are only Three Gradings- 1 Begginers
2 Intermediate
3 Hard
Begginers has no hard stuff and whatever pace it makes itself.
Intermediate has some hard stuff and some pace if possible.
Hard is all terrain with pace.

SIMPLE ! icon_thumright

Certainly dont want to see PM rides :argue And if it gets to complicated for our awesome Ride Leads (you guys know who you are) then they will just not bother ! Always was told to use the KISS principle (Keep it Simple Stupid ) sign5 The other thing i use to measure a ride grade on was if all the GUNS ! (You know who you are) were riding then their is a fair chance that it would be a HARD ! Ride. SIMPLE !

Just my thoughts ill go back to my WARM BENCH now. :bench:

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may-be WE HAVE SOME ONE ON HERE THAT CAN DO SOMETHING WITH THIS

RIDER AND TERRAIN GRADING SYSTEM

1-Novice: flat single track, Dirt bike trails or dirt/gravel roads, no rocks or hills.
2-Easy: smooth, few rocks, small hills on single track, or dirt/gravel roads.
3-Intermediate: more rocks, bigger hills, rougher trails, water crossings on single track, ATV & 4x4 trails.
4-Difficult: Lots of rocks/tree roots, tough long hills, sidehill, mud/sand & switchbacks on single track.
5-Advanced: Contact Ride Leader for trail description.

Pace (Ride Pace): E - Easy I - Intermediate Q Fairly Quick F - Enduro Fast

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i like the photo think Frank uses, maybe use this with a few words.

like fast and flowing. minimal stops. some hills. but obviously there is always someone there to help in most cases.

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only a little bitch goes on a free organised ride and complains ......

only a little bitch turns up on a ride with a unprepared bike and no spares or tools ....

my message to those little bitches is show some farking respect to the blokes who lead , sweep and organise rides , if its too tough say " sorry mate I m out of my depth can you show me the way home " not doint this and crying like a little bitch shows your character .

I m still healing so I don t ride much these days but back when I started riding I went on plenty of rides out of my depth and owe alot to most of the blokes on this site and the other .... I remember one Charlie ride at Mt Mee in the early days that by the end I was so farked Lunatic had to wait for me to get me out of the place , I was rooted ,broken and out of my depth but would have been farking ashamed of myself to complain about the ride grade .....

I ll be back riding very soon , looking forward to making someone complain :)


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LOL, Paul and I were having a chuckle at the ride report as I was reading it out to him this morning. We have both been broken by Freak at the beer (we asked for it) and know what its like, but never complain and never a bad word, just happy to get back to the cars and see the couch that arvo. icon_thumright

I like a ride grading system, it lets you know what you are in for on the day, if its a hill fest, or fast and flowing or casual have a chat.
I think consideration needs to be given to the leads and sweeps.....they seem pretty regular and may just like to go on a ride where they don't have to ride 6 bikes up a hill, change a route because some may not be capable of what was planned, help someone up and over an obsticle by walking 100m or more down a hill, drag 4 bikes over a ledge or what ever, then walk back to the top. I'm sure these guys would like a day where they just went for a ride.
They give a lot to the site and do ample rides with ample help to the not so bike savy and deserve a day where they aren't on duty so to speak.
I've been on these rides, I've been sweep on these rides and there is no better feeling than coming round and collecting a heap of corner men that you know its going to be game on and that they will get through and up most terrain first hit, if not second. They were called posh rides, the maximum time spent on a corner was about 15mins....and I loved them! Sorry if that offends anyone, but its nice to do the occasional ride like that. Not sure I'd qualify for that sort of ride these days as I like the slower pace.
I agree, there are some regulars on here that could easily do a beginners or an intermediate loop with out waiting for some one like Dale to lead. Again, we can have 2 rides in the same location on the same day, at the same start time meeting at the same place and people shouldn't get their feelings hurt if you don't want to join a ride they posted that may not suit you. Thats the way it used to be. dontknow No need to go underground...post it and peel off if you are out of your depth or not what you expected, or speak to the lead about the rest of the ride, often they don't mind if you tag along icon_thumright
Just my thoughs and they haven't changed other than being on more and more rides watching the same guys bust their bums helping people out. Thanks...you know who you are. hello2

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