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 Ride grading Do we need or want it 

Do we need ride Grading
Yes on ALL rides 62%  62%  [ 29 ]
Yes on some rides 36%  36%  [ 17 ]
No It,s a Stupid idea 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 47

 Ride grading Do we need or want it 
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Post Re: Ride grading Do we need or want it
501freak wrote:
Managers great but still want members evil6

True :)
Grading rides is hard, some rides can be up on pace with little technical sections and others vice versa.


Sat 14 Jan, 2012 11:22 pm
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Post Re: Ride grading Do we need or want it
501freak wrote:
Managers great but still want members evil6



Yes Manager is not a poeple person. :manager:


Sat 14 Jan, 2012 11:27 pm
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Just one more thing about grading levels. Its the areas you go to as well. Beerwah grade 3 is more vigorous than ammamore. You can do a grade 3 with manager at ammamore at 125kms, and have one of the best rides ever and come home with no pain. But then you can have a grade 3 at beerwah and only do 50 or so kms and feel like your 90 years old.


Totaly agree there
Thats why i think we need 2 grades
1 for terrain and 1 for pace dontknow


Sat 14 Jan, 2012 11:28 pm
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Post Re: Ride grading Do we need or want it
1650bullet wrote:
501freak wrote:
Managers great but still want members evil6



Yes Manager is not a poeple person. :manager:


I don,t think he,s actually a person
I reckon he,s a muppet
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Sat 14 Jan, 2012 11:33 pm
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Post Re: Ride grading Do we need or want it
Being a newbee I'd just like to say that maybe grading is a good idea.

I don't think it's fair on the people that lead and sweep because they do a great job, to have to put up with people complaining, my message to the complainers is suck it up or don't go.

1650bullet I looked at your ride post and thought maybe I could have a go, but as the post got more replies I realized it was out of my league, why didn't others?

My 2c worth not meant to offend anyone.


Sat 14 Jan, 2012 11:37 pm
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Post Re: Ride grading Do we need or want it
Maybe a good way to post up a ride grade is to say for example. BEERWAH Grade 4 Terrain eg: Fridgehill--triple step--big-red and all those tracks that you need to go threw to get there. with a grade 3 pace Eg: dont want to have many stops at all. try and get 90kms in if we can. And No" We are not going to peachester.


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Post Re: Ride grading Do we need or want it
lunatick wrote:
1650bullet wrote:
501freak wrote:
Managers great but still want members evil6



Yes Manager is not a poeple person. :manager:


I don,t think he,s actually a person
I reckon he,s a muppet
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He does to" The one on the right with the gray hair, It looks like he is saying "HECK"


Sat 14 Jan, 2012 11:39 pm
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Big mistake was combining the 2 rides. No one wants to hurt anyones feelings by posting another ride when one is posted. And posting a ride without wanting to lead or prearranging with someone else to lead is a bit silly. It's time to just post what you want to do regardless of what else is posted. As for grading, I don't seem to have problems with my rides dontknow ,I spell it out pretty well though, and as for me not being a people person :o thefinger :lol: The grade thing Frank uses is Disco's and is good. Then also put in a bit about or grade terain, and maybe we should grade a few of the more regular riden hills so you can tell people on novice begginer rides what they might expect if a ride has hills graded. dontknow I don't really remember any hills other than fridge in yesterdays ride icon_scratch


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Post Re: Ride grading Do we need or want it
1650bullet wrote:
Maybe a good way to post up a ride grade is to say for example. BEERWAH Grade 4 Terrain eg: Fridgehill--triple step--big-red and all those tracks that you need to go threw to get there. with a grade 3 pace Eg: dont want to have many stops at all. try and get 90kms in if we can. And No" We are not going to peachester.


The trouble with that idea is if the people that want to go for a ride have never been to these places before or the same with the people on the list on the ride,you cant tell how hard its going to be if you dont know the terrain or the people.
Manager usually does a good job of explaining what kind of ride its going to be with his discripition .
Best way to do it is have more easy/beginner rides,say once a month and at the end in the ride report the leader says what kind of grading that ride was so people can see if they can step up to a harder ride next time.Same with the sweep he can say if there was any problems at the back and comment and may be a sweep in the middle to do the same.

My 2cents plus G.S.T

Agree with manager,im not kissing arse either,but Mango Tree Hill is not hard,if wet gets a bit slippery(if your trying to ride a 1200 up it like Uncle Cracka did) or if some one roll a log down at you while riding up it :)


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Sun 15 Jan, 2012 6:57 am
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Post Re: Ride grading Do we need or want it
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My thinking is the guys and girls that turn up for a ride and find themselves way out of ther depth ,Don,t enjoy themselves
And likewise the guys and girls that wan,t a bit of pace in a ride don,t enjoy themselves



100% agree. I had this arguement with shane-o a while back and i still stand by my guns. I'm all for pushing youself to get better, but if I find myself way over my head I'm not going to learn anything. I'm either going to go back home, or I'm going to hurt myself trying to keep up. From a beginners point of view I think grading is necesary because it should be our decision how soon and how hard we want to push the limits.

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That terrain& speed grade sounds the go..

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Post Re: Ride grading Do we need or want it
I think the big problem with grading is that everyone has their own ideas on what the different grades are, and you don't really know the grading system of the individual ride leaders are until you've gone on one of their rides.

So there will sometimes be cases when when you get someone who thinks they are a grade 4, turn up on someone leading a ride posted as a grade 3 ride, yet the leaders idea of grade 3 is actually harder than the riders idea of what grade 4 is.

I know when I first joined TRA, I had no idea what all the different grades were, so I waited for a Beginners ride to be posted before I went along on any rides to actually get a feel of how good I was compared to the grading system and other riders.

I think the other big issue here is people not putting their names down on the list, but turning up for rides anyway. Seeing the names on the list allows the lead to plan out a route they think might be suitable (or advise them they might be out of their depth), and also alows other riders to make their mind up on whether they want to attend or not. Eg, some of the guys who enjoy riding a little faster may have decided to do their own thing yesterday if they'd seen that 26 people were going to turn up, some of whom they'd never heard of before and had no idea how they ride.

In the case of yesterdays ride, I think this is a bigger issue than the grading of it.


Sun 15 Jan, 2012 7:18 am
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Post Re: Ride grading Do we need or want it
Organised rides certainly need to be posted with a "ride grading"

Possible idea is for someone who knows the grading system well is to put with the sticky for rider grading levels info, a video included for each grade (Ie: Thats been taken on a TRA ride) That would give people an idea of the type of terrain you would be expected to cover on that level.
Then when an organised ride is posted up, just add the link to the sticky, so new comer's can have a look and make judgement of in or out of their ability.

Should also list two grades ie:
Terrain 4
Speed 3
or
Terrain 2
Speed 4

There will always be people that struggle with technical hills but through the general scrub/single trail can keep a good pace & vice versa people who can do the technical hills without much drama, but can't keep the pace through the scrub/single trail.

Just out of curiosity & since I don't know the area very well, the powerline hills & little red leading to big red, what terrain level would these be listed at, a grade 2 or a grade 3 ?


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Post Re: Ride grading Do we need or want it
bigstim179 wrote:
I think the other big issue here is people not putting their names down on the list, but turning up for rides anyway.
In the case of yesterdays ride, I think this is a bigger issue than the grading of it.


Have to agree. If your going to an organised ride, put your name on the list or don't turn up.
as you said that way the organizer, lead/sweep can plan the route. It also lets other riders know how many are going to be on the ride.
A handful of riders is good, a big bunch of riders can suck, especially if their grading levels are all over the place.


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Terrain
T6--Requires supplemental assistance, e.g. block and tackle or extra help to steady or lift the bike up the Mountain.
T5--Difficult, expert off-road skills required
T4--Medium, average off-road skills required
T3--Mild, doable by someone new to dirt riding
T2--Firm, graded dirt (potentially slippery when wet)
T1--Pavement


Another way like this

1-Novice: flat single track, Dirt bike trails or dirt/gravel roads, no rocks or hills.
2-Easy: smooth, few rocks, small hills on single track, or dirt/gravel roads.
3-Intermediate: more rocks, bigger hills, rougher trails, water crossings on single track, ATV & 4x4 trails.
4-Difficult: Lots of rocks/tree roots, tough long hills, sidehill, mud/sand & switchbacks on single track.
5-Advanced: Contact Ride Leader for trail description.

Pace (Ride Pace): E - Easy I - Intermediate Q Fairly Quick F - Enduro Fast

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