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Post Re: GoPro HERO HD 720p vs 1080p mode - and youtube vs vimeo
The vimeo stream file I downloaded (the 118MB one) is 1920x1080.

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Post Re: GoPro HERO HD 720p vs 1080p mode - and youtube vs vimeo
embeded is def not hd in any way (just trawaling through FAQ's)
you need to be in the Vimeo home page and go to full screen.

I will keep looking

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Post Re: GoPro HERO HD 720p vs 1080p mode - and youtube vs vimeo
I am looking here atm :http://www.vimeo.com/help/faq#what_happens_if_i_upload_1920_x_1080_footage

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Ok what do you think about this pic quality??


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Post Re: GoPro HERO HD 720p vs 1080p mode - and youtube vs vimeo
Wes I think there is a bit of competitve bulshit going on between the two listed
When you watch a vid like the one below in full screen

They put a LOT of processing into it.

where as our vids there is just no or the normal processing applied.

If you have huge plays I "Think" my thoughts only" Vimeo give your vid that little extra attention so it sparkles as the one linked does.

where as we could load a very high quality vid and not get the same treatent.

Contour did the same thing with a high played vid. They processed the begeesus outta it so it looked sooo good.
the thing is they got questions over and over Why is my footage not as good as that posted???

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Post Re: GoPro HERO HD 720p vs 1080p mode - and youtube vs vimeo
I was watching the video (the mt mee bollards video) on the vimeo page, in the full screen mode with scaling turned off. The stream was definitely 1080p, just a very compressed low bitrate.

I read your posts above, and instinctively agreed that yes, the world isn't fair and some users somehow get special treatment which makes their videos a way higher quality and bitrate than what we get. The Pikes Peak GoPro video was another example. It looks awesome, it looks way higher quality than anything I've uploaded.

But then I thought, hang on, I can find out. So I used Jdownloader to download the streams and see what they are.

The plitvice lakes file you linked above, is only a 117MB file for the 3:31 video. It has a bit rate of only 4675kbps. Pretty much the same as my video.

The Monster Tajima GoPro Pikes Peak vid is only 507MB for the 11:46 video. It has a bit rate of only 5875kbps. Which is actually less than my video.

So it looks like we all get treated equal, they have no special treatment.

I suspect there might be a trick to making it look good on vimeo / youtube. When I uploaded my 24000kbps video, it then had to get compress by youtube / vimeo to a much lower bitrate. Perhaps their encoding software / server does a rough first pass encoding job. So maybe the way to get a good looking online video is to compress it to a low bit rate yourself using a program that can get the most quality possible for a given bitrate. Maybe if I compress my video to a 6000kbps bitrate (or 4500kbps for vimeo) using my own computer and a good multipass encoding program it will look better. That way youtube or vimeo might just use it without recompressing it?

WLMM gives the final video some silly windows wmv / wma codecs. My playstation won't play them.

Youtube and vimeo use the same codecs, shown below. I suggest this would be the codec you would want to have when uploading to youtube / vimeo to prevent them recompressing your video a lot.


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Post Re: GoPro HERO HD 720p vs 1080p mode - and youtube vs vimeo
one quick issue

the plitvice lakes file original size is 763 meg. (they have marked not avaliable for download though)
How have you come up with the 117meg file?

IE how do you measure the stream off vimeo? and is it accurate?
Not haveing a go just interested.

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Post Re: GoPro HERO HD 720p vs 1080p mode - and youtube vs vimeo
I am digging through messages from a year ago

I remember vimeo talking about reduced 1080p funtionality (cant find it atm). (edit perhaps it was changed not reduced

But prev, when you enabled a vid for 1080p viewing it would re-encode the file and it would be unavaliable for a while 1/2 to 1 hr depending on the vid length.

The one I linked called Shane1 took that long.

But the others did not. and they were uploaded after the change of policy. when i ticked the box they were avaliable straight away.

I will have a futher dig see what I can find. Dags will know as well. I will ask him tomorrow. He is up on this stuff.

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he is in Nrth nsw isnt he. (and I would have thought in bed too??)

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Post Re: GoPro HERO HD 720p vs 1080p mode - and youtube vs vimeo
The Jdownloader program is smart, it examines the vimeo or youtube page and finds the base mp4 file that gets used for the stream. You then select that file and add it to the download list. Once downloaded you have that mp4 file on your hard drive.

So for plitvice lakes I have a 117MB called Plitvice Lakes.mp4 on my hard drive. I can open it in windows media player or VLC player and it looks identical to the full screen streamed video on vimeo (because it is identical).

The original file size of 700+MB does stuff my theory of resizing it yourself first, because that guy clearly didn't do that. It does say that his was originally an mp4 though, whereas mine was a wmv (which it was). It's also hard to compare slow moving stuff like his panaramas to fast moving dirt bikes. The way the compressed mp4 videos work means that static or slow moving stuff will look better for a given bit rate, or require a lower bit rate when using a variable bit rate.

And the plitvice video was posted ages ago, so delay in re-encoding the 1080p won't be an issue.

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This is Jdownloader;
http://www.jdownloader.org/home?lng=en

It is good for grabbing videos from vimeo or youtube. It is particularly awesome for multiple part rapidshare downloads. You give it the list of rapidshare downloads and tell it to go. It downloads the first file, then waits the time requried between downloads for free users, then starts downloading the next file.

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Post Re: GoPro HERO HD 720p vs 1080p mode - and youtube vs vimeo
you missed my point

vimeo have the HD channel
that vid I link was just the latest to land in my inbox (and Im sure you have an account as well so you would get em too).

It was not ment as a comparsion between the dirtbike vids as there would be not much point as you say slow moving and no fast contrats differnces to handle.

Its there to show that there is "I think" a higher level of dealing with videos on the vimeo site so they look nice and assist with the site promotion.

Vids like that get extra attention over and above the standard uploads. Vimeo and Youtube have their custome suit of software to encode the vids to suit their site. they can massage them as much as they like.

I would restate strongly that if you are going to test Vimeo against youtube you use RAW footage only. do not preproccess at all.

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there are levels of destinction in the videos that are not well known. again I started to research and CBF diggin deeper as its into the copyright stuff so not open.

you have the standard mp4 at h.264 or wmv etc. (mind you you have stripped off a lot of compression by removing the h.264)

avi and xvid

Under all of these video codec types etc there are bases. these are copyrighted strongly and when you run the mp4 H.264 through wlmm and change it to wmv you totaly change all levels of the video.

I have no issue with this But not when you want to do a comparison.

do a comparsion with a raw bit of footage do a run the same day in the same light if possible so the comparrison is close as possible then its apples with apples.

Vimeo will play well with one codec and youtube will play much better with another.

My preference for vimeo has always been the desktop uploader and my personel internet connection not for quality. I am on a rim. the bloody thing has slight "Bumps" or millisecond time outs every two or three hours. so if you have a 4 hour upload ... CRASH and upload fail

so with the desktop uploader on vimeo it restarts fromwhere it crashes. = upload sucess

secondly with vimeo no wiping of your vid due to music. full stop. I lost 4 vids due to this policy uploaded before it came into effect and then they were deleted.... Bloody youtube and record company crap....

After a while we could start a TRA group and it has been fairly good..

Youtube is better for almost everything (better reach for sure) but after 15 or so failed uploads ..... bugger that. (yes I have proved my home nework and its common to people on Rims that are adsl1 only of a certain model.

Lastly

I did see there is at least 1 new VIDEO hosting site starting up. Might check them out.

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bah enough dribble.. the DRIFT HD's better :D *full Stop*

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